small C-BET

  • small C-BET

     Funnybunny H updated 1 year, 3 months ago 4 Members · 8 Posts
  • Comrock

    September 22, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    When to use 33% C-BET on the flop of a 2bet pot? Please use other than monotone board and pair board.

    Is it a profitable play in PLO because there is almost no difference in equity with the opponent? I would like to know the benefits of making small bets frequently.

  • Funkarello

    September 23, 2020 at 6:33 pm

    There are many better players than me, so just take my words as a personal thought. I would use higher bet on boards that are no paired or monotone. Other boards are less polarised than monotone or paired board, so you need to build another story, which is more balanced by the range of vilain.

    On a paired or monotone board, vilain believes or not you have it, so 33% is enough or not. On other boards, there are more stories opened on a flop.

  • Gareth

    October 1, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    The idea behind smaller C-Bets is often that you can increase your c-bet frequency. So a 33% C-bet should be tied with an increase in the percentage of overall C-Bets. It’s important to vary up your bet sizes as it hides your intentions and protects your range. If you play with regulars and use only 2/3 and 100% you’re range will be become easily polarized.

    Small C-Bets are dangerous in early positions, especially against very aggressive opponents. It opens you up to 3bets so you have to balance your range accordingly.

    I often use small c-bets IP with drawing hands as it gives me more options on the turn. It can often buy you an extra street as Villain will often check to you. You can then check back the turn and make it to the river or bet with an increased size. Just my thoughts from PLO 50 and 100.

    • Funnybunny H

      October 2, 2020 at 1:37 am

      “I often use small c-bets IP with drawing hands as it gives me more options on the turn””

      Don’t recommend this, good players will pick up on your sizings if you bet smaller with drawing hands, and bigger with made hands. You wanna be balanced when it comes to betting, regardless of you having a drawing hand or a made hand. If you feel like your draw is not strong enough to bet big, you should put that hand into your check back range. Similarly if you flop a monster and cover the board heavily, you should check every now and then, so you have some strong hands in your check back range too.

      • Gareth

        October 2, 2020 at 3:12 pm

        Yea small c-bets are about increasing the frequency of overall c-bets. As for the drawing hands piece, you have to do this with more than youre drawing hands. The range is tilted towards drawing hands. Against tighter players or players who simply don’t know how to handle constant aggression its a good way to run over them.

        If you check back all of your drawing hands or a vast majority you’re going to lose value. Especially against smarter players. They notice when flushes and obvious straights are made and you’re implied odds that you thought you had rarely pay off.

        • Funnybunny H

          October 2, 2020 at 6:39 pm

          I think we are kinda on the same page, just weren’t specific enough, since you said you do this with drawing hands. If you do it balanced, so you include drawing and made hands with the same sizing that is good. Although I still think a 50% stab is more easy to balance, and still allows us to bluff cheap in SR pots.

  • Funnybunny H

    October 2, 2020 at 1:27 am

    Off topic: trying to post into this but getting error message.

    • Funnybunny H

      October 2, 2020 at 1:32 am

      Hi, I am not a sizing specialist, but my thoughts on the matter:

      I don’t really like to use a 33% sizing in SR pots, because it’s very hard to balance properly IMO. You are also missing out on value in the long run, in form of Fold Equity and direct EV once you have a strong hand, and would prefer to build the pot. If you don’t want to bet big, just opt for 50%, much easier to balance your range.

      Boards that 33% can makes sense apart from monotone boards, are paired flops. But even on those sometimes it’s better to bet 50% depending on the values of the cards, number of players in the hand, and positions.

      33% is a sizing that’s more frequently used in 3bet+ pots, because of the lower SPR.

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