win rate on gg

  • win rate on gg

     Omegaelite updated 12 months ago 4 Members · 6 Posts
  • Pingbong

    December 10, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    hello guys,

    just looking for some opinions on this,

    I play mid/high stakes plo on gg and lately been on a nasty downswing, around 70 buyins before rakeback, bonuses leaderboard etc. If i include all the rakeback downswing is closer to 30 buyins.

    given that rakeback is such a huge part of how the gg system works,

    With numbers do you think i should be using to evaluate ?

    In terms of variance calculator on primedope for example. i have just surpassed 100k hands on there and kind of unsure how to evaluate my winrate/rate my play etc.(actually winning over all due to rakeback)

    just looking for some opinions on how people are evaluating there game, numbers etc. due to how different the gg system works in terms of much rake is payed and payed back through the system , high hand, leaderboards etc.

    PS i don’t think i have worded this very well ๐Ÿ˜†

    kind regards

  • Fernando Habegger

    December 14, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Hi @pingbong

    In order evaluate your situation I would firstly try to estimate your true winrate after all benefits.

    Imagine your winrate before benefits is exactly 0bb/100. Then you would add rakeback, leaderboards, big hand jackpots and affiliate benefits to the winrate in bb/100. Here is an example:

    My personal PVI is currently around 0.477 and my Fish Buffet rakeback is 60% (Black Shark). Means I receive 47.7% of 60% Rakeback = 28.68% Rakeback

    The rake I’m paying currently on 10/20 PLO is about 10bb/100. So 28.62% of that is about 2.86bb/100.

    Affiliate benefits: If you play high stakes / rake a lot, you should get a good deal here before hand. A good deal can give you anywhere between 1 – 2.5bb/100 back in rewards. (Check out Black Card Elite, were we create custom deals for high rakers)

    Leaderboards: At 10/20 mincashing the LB gives me $500. Let’s say I can achieve that 10 times per month. That’s $5000. Probably worth about 0.5bb/100, maybe a bit less or a bit more.

    Big Hand Jackpots: At 10/20 I’ve payed 166k in rake to achieve 46k in big hand jackpots. I think I ran a little hot here. This would give me another 27% rakeback. (10bb rake * 27% big hand = 2.7bb/100).


    Winrate before benefits = 0bb/100 (might be lower)

    Fish Buffet = 2.86bb/100

    Affiliate Benefits = 2.5bb/100 (might be lower case by case)

    Leaderboards = 0.5bb/100 (depends on your volume)

    Big Hand Jackpot = 2.7bb/100 (ran hot here imo)

    Total Winrate = 8.56bb/100

    Now this looks all awesome and stuff, but there are are few things to consider:

    A) The winrate before benefits might very well be negative. I currently run at -1evbb/100 in 100k hands. But that could mean anything really, given variance. But that would change the calculation. Maybe I’m a -3bb loser or maybe I’m a +1bb winner, who knows.

    B) If you don’t have any affiliate benefits you have to lower your winrate by 2.5bb so about 6bb/100.

    C) If we assume I ran hot in Big Hand Jackpots we might want to half this bb/100 number to 1.35bb/100.

    So you can do your own calculations now and then run these different assumed winrates through primedope’s variance calculator.

    • Omegaelite

      January 25, 2021 at 2:52 pm

      This is very helpful , thank you

  • Fernando Habegger

    December 14, 2020 at 1:27 pm
  • Dymling

    December 14, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    Hi guys! Was thinking in the same terms as the stuff mentioned here. How much your winrate is and so on. I am playing PLO100 on GG poker, currently rakeback lvl is Silver Whale (42% RB). Not sure about my PVI. Making arount 200-300$ a week in the rakeraces. Showing below is my graf from GG before rake is taken. Can anyone comment if this looks okey on GG PLO100 since im questioning myself at the moment.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by  Dymling.
    • Dymling

      December 14, 2020 at 9:29 pm
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