Problem Spot for Me: Weak AAxx OOP multiway 3-bet pot

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  • Problem Spot for Me: Weak AAxx OOP multiway 3-bet pot

     Gregory Sam updated 1 year, 4 months ago 3 Members · 4 Posts
  • Pghpoker

    Member
    July 15, 2020 at 6:00 pm

    Hey everyone.

    I have found myself in the following spot a few times recently and I truly have no idea what the GTO play is. I am totally lost.

    I will be in the blinds and someone opens from EP or MP. The CO and BTN call, and I 3-bet. Sometimes one player will fold, but this is small stakes so typically everybody calls, and we head to the flop.

    I guess the first question is, do we even 3-bet those weak AAxx hands in the blinds pre-flop? I think we almost always should but I am not 100 percent sure.

    The flop comes, and the action is on me. On super wet boards my instinct is to check because I know it is not getting through, I could easily be re-raised all in, etc…is this generally the right idea? How about with dry boards? Just pot it and hope to take it down? I feel like when I bet 3/4 or pot on a dry board multi-way, I almost always run into two pair or trips, or a set. But if I check and let everyone check behind, the turn card will usually improve someone significantly whereas I really only can improve if I hit top set on the turn. Basically I am wondering how often and when we should be c-betting with weak AA hands OOP in multiway pots.

    Last question, if we do opt for the check and someone bets big, is check-folding the best play if we have nothing happening with our side cards? Is check-calling with just the bare AA overpair ever something we want to mix in there?

    Thanks very much.

  • Abhorash

    Member
    July 16, 2020 at 3:04 am

    From what what I remember Luuk saying, Solver 3-bets certain hands because it banks on the EV generated by opponent(s) folding. As you point out, low stakes players fold much less often, thus you should exclude some marginal hands from your 3-bet range. I think trashy AA, OOP against 2 players is a bad 3-bet with little fold EV.

    I personally don’t squeeze in these potentially multiway situations with probably bottom 20% of my AAxx hands. I feel like there are some pretty good benefits of this.

    1) if you hit the Ace, you will never be given credit for top set.

    2) Weak aces have very polarized distribution on flop. You either hit top set or you don’t and just hold a naked overpair. So seeing a cheap flop is great

    3) Sometimes if you call from SB or even BTN, a player in the BB or SB will spaz out and 3-bet, the original raiser and caller both call and you get to basically 4-bet jam your stack. This is a nice situation but is actually not as massive +EV as it seems since your trashy AA doesn’t do that well against 3 other hands. But still a great outcomen

  • Gregory Sam

    Member
    August 21, 2020 at 2:27 am

    Would love to see a detailed analysis of these type of spots post flop, as they come up all the time even if you are removing the bad/marginal AAxx combos from your squeezing range. The multway 3bet pots course was helpful, and the QandA stackoff thresholds video dealt some spots like this, but that was at SPR2. What about AA no or marginal back up (and other marginal hands in our squeezing range) at SPR 1.5, 1, .75, .5 etc on various board textures 3way, 4 way, vs wide ranges, vs one wide one narrow, etc?? These spots come up all the time at low stakes and/or in recreational dense games, and they are big pots, so it would seem that navigating them skillfully would be a crucial asset when it comes to improving a winrate.

    • Gregory Sam

      Member
      August 25, 2020 at 8:01 am

      @luuk maybe an idea for future CSSPLO videos.

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